Category: Let's talk
On a preliminary ruling, the zone members voted that goblin deserved to be impeached and subjected to a motion of sensure on terms to be decided. The motion stands in the name of Lawlord who was called to propose it:
Mr Speaker,
I beg to move that the zone do vote with me and pass a motion expressing our disapproval, annoyance and disappointment with the user known as Goblin. honourable members will have noticed that in the past, he has been guilty of a fantastical record of advocating the return of flying dragons, and honourable meembers will no doubt share my disquiet at claims put by him that he was, and still is, a vampire. that Mr Speaker pails into insignificance when set alongside the highly personalised attacks he has made against not only myself in the past, but also my Honourable friend Sugarbaby, My Honourable Friend Freya and my Honourable Friend wildebrew, as well as certain of our younger Honourable members. Add to this, Mr Speaker, the clear attention-seeking nature of the topics, particular those on his alleged stalker, and I think there we have the basis for this motion.
I am not, of course, seeking to deny his right to express his views. He even will have the chance to contribute to the debate while it lasts. But Mr Speaker I believe, and I'm sure that Honourable Members will agree with me, that there comes a point where a notion of impeachment, if only to express our disgust, should be brought forward.
Mr Speaker a number of things remain up for discussion as to the precise terms of the motion, and the sentences that are to follow from it were it to be passed. I hope that Honourable Members will contribute and fill in these gaps over the course of the debate.
Mr Speaker, the Lawlordian government needs this motion of impeachment quickly. It is necessary for the security of the zone that the motion be passed. I have therefore set a two-day limit on this debate, and the guillotine will come into operation at around 21:00 GMT this Sunday, 13th March, whereupon I shall seek to wind the debate up and the question will be put. honourable members will then have 24 hours from the termination of the winding up to cast their votes.
Mr Speaker, free speech is precious, but there is no room for insulting ravings and professional idiocy. i commend this motion to the site and beg to move that the motion be passed.
As I said earlier LL, I am right behind you on this one m'learned friend. I am very disapproving, annoyed and disappointed with said Mr Goblin and I add my vote to the motion that he be impeached right away, without further ado and, in fact, right now!! The Honourable Ms Freya.
I too would like to add my vote to this motion. I believe that a vampire poses a signifficant risk to the more vulnerable members on the zone (those members who do not possess a cross with which to ward off such an evil being), and on this basis alone, I feel that the need for impeachment is great.
Whereas I will abstein from actually naming any one person I believe that everyone who needlessly turns a general discussion into personal attacks towards numerous of his/her fellow zoners, asks for advice but turns that into personal insults and shows unpresidented levels of hypocracy on the boards by complaining about personal attacks, yet launching such attacks towards other members of the zone and even resorts to name calling shall be empeached by this committee and subjected to punishment decided on by a majority of committee voting at a time this committee sees convenient.
I would like to cast my vote in favour of the impeachment of our fellow site user on the basis that I have found him to be irrational, disrespectful to others and their oppinions to an extreme, attention seeking as well as possibly dishonest going by his hazy recollection and his changing his mind when it comes to factual information which could be rellivent while trying to enlarge his ego. I have found him to be both patronising and insulting for some time now and would, therefor, urge that this motion be passed.
I'm grateful to honourable members for their contributions thus far, Mr Speaker. The government would like Honourable members' views on what form the censure should take. To put it another way, it is necessary to also turn our minds to deliberation of the substantive content of the motion.
LL, you are accusing the subject under current discussion of matter you have been observed of practicing in these forums your humble self. So, really .. ya oughtta watch what ya preach mate! thank you!
lawlord is a vampire? well ... I would never have guessed!
I thank Rdfreak for her intervention, but before she next contemplates intervening, perhaps she might wish to contemplate backing up her assertions by citing specific examples. To generalise in that manner won't do at all I'm afraid, nor will the use of glibly repeated maxims such as 'you ought to watch what you preach'. I have never, to my knowledge, personally insulted someone without foundation or justification, nor have I shown complete reckless disregard for others by asserting that certain zoners' spouses or ex-spouses had lucky escapes. I would remind the honourable member before she next intervenes that it took a vote for this motion to be debated. The unanimous conclusion was that the motion should be moved. The motion stands in my name, but it is moved on behalf of a sufficient corpus of honourable members who have subscribed their names thereto. If the Honourable Member would like to impeach me in the same manner, she is of course free to do so, but just for the moment, she would do well to keep to the subject of the current motion of censure viz. Goblin. The debate will have to be curtailed shortly after this hour tomorrow, so i would advise her to make her next intervention more constructive. I will be happy, Mr Speaker, to return to the despatch box and further clarify the position as to my former conduct, but in a different debate.
And if Honourable Members would indulge me in one further, but important point in the context of the current motion: never have I bullied any honourable member. I have criticised them, robustly, perhaps too robustly in some honourable members' opinions, but fairly. I need hardly remind the zone that Goblin has, in times past and present, picked on the very young in a crass and appalling manner which does not correllate with his years.
I find all facts noted by lawlord to be true and correct.
Now back to the matter in hand … I believe that we need to look at each point separately. Firstly, with reference to the flying draggons, I believe that everyone lives in the world of fantacy from time to time, and that we need to make certain allowances for the above named user’s fantacies regarding this matter. We all know that flying dragons are the stuff that legends, and stories are made of, and therefore I believe that we need to allow Goblin these beliefs, the same as we, for instance, allow children to believe in father Christmas. Now for the vampires … well I am aware that such organizations do exist, and I believe that the existence of a vampire on the site is harmful to those vulnerable users who are not able to protect themselves against such a being. I believe, however, that vampires cannot be cured of their tendencies, and that the only way to get rid of a vampire would be to drive a stake through its heart. I therefore propose that this should be the action that is taken against the vampire on this site.
As for the personal insults to users on public message boards, whilst I believe that is not unacceptable behaviour to disagree with opinions, and even to question a particular user’s motives based on the opinions they give, to personally attack a user is, in my view, totally unacceptable. Might I draw your attention to a topic post made some time in the period between Christmas and new year with the subject heading “give us a break, Caitlin”, which in my view, has on its own breached any common courtesey guideline which should exist on a site such as this one. Whilst I am aware that no written guidelines exist on this site, it is common courtesey to respect other members as individuals, and to keep your personal views of such members to yourself unless there is commonly accepted good reason for an attack on a member, i.e. if said member has consistently offended other members in such a way that it is felt that something has to be said. I therefore propose that tht the above named user (goblin) be stripped of his board posting privileges for a period of time which should be mutually agreed by all members.
LL, I draw your attention to the board post currently in session on this page with "latest posts" entitled "turn me off" by the admirable young Melodica. Now in my humble, or perhaps not so humble opinion, your comments were totally unjustified, and in my opinion again, extremely offensive to persons (especially the author). I believe she attempted to open up to her "friends", therefore, hoping to obtain support and understanding. Your message, which turned into messages was far from appropriate, so I say again, "ya oughtta watch what ya preach mate"! Perhaps your "opinions" of Goblin are correct and justifiable, however, you have to look at the big picture my good man!
and by the way, considering you have been general so have I.
actually I don't believe that I have been general at all. I thought the melodica topic might be the example you prayed in aid, and you do of course have the right to do so. However, you will note that the closest I come to a personal insult in that topic is to say that I don't see the author of that topic making much of an effort to sort things out rather than moan about it. She of course has the right to moan about it, but you'll notice that others shared my general conclusion, so I hardly think it was an irrational one to reach. I also said, if you recall, that she ought to get a sense of perspective, and that the most realistic problem that she seemed to have was her cancellations on e-bay. All of this, in my submission, is fair comment and Rdfreak that week I also saw several of my friends who knew they were going to fail the bar exams and land themselves with £15000 additional debt, so you'll forgive me if I don't consider still being a virgin at 20 to be much of a problem by comparison. That said, if you want to take me on directly, I will be more than happy to answer for my conduct in a separate topic, but i take no more notice of the glib maxim than I did last time I'm afraid. Moreover, you are seeking to compare the incomparables by comparing mine and Goblin's posts and thus, honourable members, do we return to the motion at hand which stands in my name but is moved on behalf of several others. The posts of the honourable gentleman, in the opinion of those who proposed the motion, are unlike any others for direct attacks on zoners, and particularly young zoners. moreover, to have a vampire in our midst is, as my honourable Friend Sugarbaby has rightly observed, dangerous.
ok well I believe that the proposed deadline for this motion has now passed and as we have had no attempt from the above named user (goblin) to defend his actions, might I enquire as to the next step?
it now falls for me Mr Deputy Speaker, to wind up the debate. This has been a debate in which the opinion and arguments seem all to have been one way and this is handy seeing as I do not have long to wind the debate up. The main objections seem to be the unwarranted bullying of young zoners, and the repetition of the Honourable Member's vampire status. In light of these, I move that the motion pass and urge honourable members to vote with me this evening.
Order! Will honourable members leave the chamber quietly? The question is that the motion of impeachment be passed. As many of that opinion say aye. Aye! And on the contrary say no. No!! Division, clear the lobby. Zoners will have 24 hours to cast their votes, aye or no, to the motion. no further substantive contributions may now be made to this topic apart from to cast your votes. Any contributions other than those in furtherance of casting votes will be ignored.
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I haven't been on the boards much. Too busy with work and the website. Can someone PM me and fill me in on why we've decided to bring this in public? Is this one of those "I'm just messing with your head momments?"
That post is a spoilt vote I'm afraid.
aye, aye Captain....
aye, aye Captain....
aye.
Anyone who claims aother Zone member's partner was "f*cking lucky to escape" after that person's break up has overstepped any decency bboundries and should, at the very least, get a warning.
Order, order! Honourable members must desist from providing explanations for their votes. Order.
Order, order! The aye's to the right, six. The no's to the left, 0. Order. The Aye's to the right were six the no's to the left were zero so the aye's have it, the aye's have it. Unlock! Order. This honourable site therefore agrees that the motion be passed. The question is now whether this debate be brought to an end: as many of that opinion say aye. Aye! And on the contrary say no. I think the aye's have it, the aye's have it. sitting adjourned during Her Majesty's pleasure.
Someone oughta call Goblin in here and let him have some say in this I must say. Seems fair doesn't it? And is this all a big joke? ... And is it just me or do the "I's" and "no's" seem a bit like "eyes" and"nose?" Lol. As for my vote, I don't know what to think. I mean Goblin has attacked me and never said sorry, but it could be me you all were impeaching for posting too many topics. So i dunno what to say, hope none of y'all hate me for not voting either way.
Caitlin
I'm afraid that Goblin could have had his say, this topic has been up for three days, but he didn't bother. He didn't even vote against the motion, so I'm afraid that the motion passes. It was made clear that this debate had a time limit on it. Caitlin the reference to aye and no is the way that the parliament votes in this country.